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Imho, perhaps you hired the wrong kind of care.
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That is unacceptable! My number one rule in my house is STAY OFF YOUR CELL PHONE. They are there to give the patient their undivided attention. Just keep trying different caregivers. There are good ones out there. Don't settle for less. Good luck.
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I'll give you some tips since I worked as a scheduler for CNAs. They in general, do not do housework. They may cook a meal or two but are caregivers not maids. There is also a conflict with helping your Mom or Dad but not both, unless you pay for both to be helped. So you'll need to decide what you need help with. It needs to be very specific. Feet soaking, showering, feeding, changing clothes, sponge bathing, walking aid. If your Mom needs help making beds or dishes, she needs merry maids not CNAs. And by all means, you can send someone home immediately if not right for your needs.
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I had care givers for my husband, for a short time, until he passed away. She was recommended to me br the rehab center/nursing facility. She often did private care for patients in nursing care. Are had another caregiver that worked for her. She only took one or two patients at a time. She herself could not handle my husband, physically, because he was dead weight, so the caregiver that worked for her and her sister, who also did private caregiving, took turns caring floral my husband. They were only required to stay with him, bathe & change him, turn him and feed him and keep him hydrated. If they saw me changing or fixing my bed they offered to help. They fixed things fir my husband to eat. Other than that they just stayed by his side and watched tv with him. It was fine because I knew his needs were being met.
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I’m not sure what you mean by respite care versus home help caregivers. We hired Visiting Angels to help my parents. I met with the manager of the franchise and parents to discuss expectations and what they could or could not do. This included assisting Dad in and out of bed, dressing, light housekeeping, laundry, meals, and laundry.

With a few exceptions each aide sent to the house did a good job. One was sent packing by dad because he didn’t like her, one was dismissed by me because she was too small and old to physically handle dad. The only thing they wouldn’t do was scrub the kitchen floor on their knees which really bugged mom!
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I went through the same pattern with hiring someone to help our my 85 year old Grandpa...Went through maybe 4 or 5 people... they wanted to do as little as possible & get paid as much as possible...They acted as if they were doing a favor, rather than getting paid to do a job. I told the agencies, complained & suggested solutions to the workers and they made no effort whatsoever. I went over & over in my mind...i know every problem has solutions. Its only a matter of finding the most practical solution. First I developed a big form ..Tasks written by room..And meals/snacks/lilquids written on another form by time of day. Then I made 20 copies of each. I went onto a site i found online ,,,care.com. I put an ad for a housekeeper/caretaker. ( just the word housekeeper helps...caretaker implies to some that they just have to sit & make sure the elderly person is 'safe' smh!) I asked for one or two references for people the applicant had worked for previously . I did call the references with a list (yep another one:) of questions: eg. how long did the lady work for you? what tasks did she perform? was she prompt & reliable? If they can't give a reference you can speak to forget it.
The second lady that I hired I explained I would stay with her the first day & show her what needed to be done. I also highlighted which of the tasks on my 'to do 'list needed to be completed that day. And had her initial when it was done. Also, I had her set the alarm on the stove so she would prepare the meals for my Grandpa on time. She was fine with it. Told me she appreciated knowing what was expected of her.
Its been 3 months now, I have her go to Grandpas 3 days most weeks and she's sticking to the routine. She takes a pic of the completed task list with her initials & texts it to me before she leaves.
When I was in the deep south, an old lady told me "the way you start is the way you end". Ive found that little piece of wisdom very valuable SUMMARY You might consider: Setting a clear written and spoken structure/expectation from the beginning
Request a Housekeeper, not a caretaker. ( ads of housekeepers list if they offer caring for elderly also)
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my2cents May 2021
You are right with your adage. Too many people hire, allow a certain behavior to start - don't say anything. The first time you don't correct it, it becomes acceptable. Later, they complain about the employee. In all actuality, they aren't bad employees - you were a bad employer for allowing it to start in the beginning. They rose to the level of your expectation. Your expectation was too low.
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I understand where you are coming from. I am sorry that keeps happening to you. I have seen and heard of this trend happening over and over for years with Caregivers. And, no, that is not the norm of sincere qualified Caregivers to do. They no better than that and they have been trained. It's just slackness and uncaring and taking advantage of you and your family and the situation. If they don't work they should not get paid for it. The home care agencies need to do something and not just apologize, because it is not solving the problem. And with that being said, they need to first ask the client is it okay to bring school homework to the job, but not work from another job. One more thing, do you have a camera in your home? If you can afford to put one in your home to record the activities of the Caregivers for evidence for the home care agency to see. Most clients that I work with have cameras up in their homes.
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Respite Care is just that - care to help out a caregiver. It can include companionship, health care needs related to the clients (not medications), and light housekeeping. You are doing the right thing to let the agencies know exactly the care required.

If any caregiver does not comply with stated care:
1 - Show them the list of tasks and the expected time they should be completed.
2 - Remind them that this is what they are hired to do.
3 - Remind them that if they do not do the stated work, you will call their agency.
4 - Call their agency if they do not do the work.

We are very thankful for my MIL's 2 caregivers. They take care of all her needs while she lives in her condo in HI, her home state. We (live in FL) would care for her, but she refuses to leave and my BIL (lives in CA) is in charge of her care.
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I consider respite relief for the caregiver. I also consider someone who would work by the hour should be working during an hour paid - not sitting at a table doing homework, talking on their phone, or on the internet. I think the agency(s) you are in contact with are sending 'sitters' who come and just sit quietly with a patient.

I think you need to hire some hourly employees (yes, contract or actual employees where you will take taxes out of the pay check or send them a 1099 at end of the year). I'm thinking more of a housekeeper who will do chores and assist with dad as needed (which appears not to involve a lot of time if current people have enough time to do homework). You will actually pay a private housekeeper less than through an agency because agency gets their cut plus the employee pay.

In the interview process, have a list of things mom needs help with and include X hrs a day to help dad with X and X tasks. If this person is hired for 8 hrs a day, then they should be working 8 hrs...not sitting. Go over the chore list and ask if that is a problem. Have prospective employee sign the chore list after reviewing to indicate it was reviewed with them and they agreed to the list. Ask around the neighborhood - very possible there is someone quite close by to come in a few hours several times a week to help mom out.
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Agencies charge $20 - $25 per hour. But the caregiver is only paid a portion of that-less taxes. They probably earn less most babysitters-but are expected to work much harder.
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Agencies talk a good game. The rep. you meet with is there to sell you, promise the world. But, it's a sellers market. You obviously need what they provide. In the end, you more/less have to take what they give you.
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Hiring through an agency merely provides the security that they are insured, the caregivers are certified and-hopefully-the shift will always be covered.
NOTE: before you sign- ask for proof of insurance and caregiver certification!
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My only suggestion is to consider hiring an "independent contractor" though a site. Some take out ads in certain publications and Craig's List.
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Provide a profile explaining your needs. Be specific! Including preferences such as "pet friendly", non-smoker.
Reach out to potential hires. Be sure to interview in person. What exactly is their experience? Do they have references?
Do they have reliable transportation? Chit-chat a while; do they seem like a good fit?
Agree the first 5 shifts will be a trial period. No harm/no foul if it doesn't work out on either side.
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Where I live, the average expected wage is $20/hr. Payment is expected at the end of the week. Caregivers prefer cash- I paid through Venmo (bank-to-bank transfer).
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Keep in mind, there will be down time. If they finished their chores and dad is sleeping, very few will ask for more to do. If this person is generally a hard worker-It's not a big deal from time to time. Otherwise, unless you have a ready list of busy-work, they'll be on their phones.
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Good luck and God Bless
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DonnaF777 Jun 2021
I find that now days patients and/or family want us to do housework. WE come to a house that appears to not had a good cleaning for some time, maybe years, and we are expected to take care of 2 dementia patients, husband and wife, clean the whole house and take care of their animals and all for $10/hour. Sometimes less. I am 67. Female.. been doing this for 25 plus years. I believe in working but... as I have told my patients or whomever... we are not housekeepers. We are caregivers. We do light housekeeping. What this means.. or supposed to mean? We clean up what we mess up taking care of the patient. WE give a shower? Clean up the bathroom... the toilet they use. The bedside commode they use. Clean up and tidy, organize the room they sit/sleep in. Not the whole house. Clean up the kitchen, do the dishes, rinse and put them away when done making meals for them. Sweep/mop those areas but again, NOT the whole house. Do the laundry...I have had people many times get rid of their housekeepers and when I show up, expect me to do it all. I mean, take care of them and all the housekeeping the housekeepers were doing plus their animals. Plus.. one lady expected me to take care of her hubby and her son who was mentally challenged. She was our patient. Clean the whole house which was in terrible condition...and take care of 3 people which means cook for all of them. She would get absolutely angry with me. I have been expected to move furniture. Sometimes we have to. There is so much furniture crammed into their rooms.... when we called EMSA, we had to move heavy packing boxes, a big floor clock, the sofa, the floor light in order to get her out the front door. You know... they talk about the abuse caregivers do to patients but they don't talk about what the patient's and families do to the caregivers. There is a ton of abuse inflicted on aides.... verbal and yes, we do get hit... and men touch us inappropriately..say disgusting things and I am not talking about dementia patients. Some of them know exactly what they are doing and don't care. Aides are treated with such disrespect. And yes, some of these aides I would not allow them to even bury a dead rat. Yes.. you have to watch out for the charmers. They are charming to everyone but the other caregivers who know them... who have figured them out. I had one aide that was with a patient for 3 years and she kept a log ON THE CAREGIVERS. She was telling me how she thought I was great (This is a huge red flag) and how she loved me (another red flag) and she wanted me to come back (could be another red flag) She is just so charming! But.. I found that log book of hers while organizing... cleaning... and she was complaining about all these caregivers! Yep... she complained about me also and to the agency. 3 things she said... and all three were lies. You would have thought that by all she said that I had done nothing. I had noticed that there was laundry basket... I told her that I would do laundry. She said no... don't do it. Just get used to the patient. But.. she had documented that I had NOT done the laundry but I had. The only thing I had not washed was the woman's heating blanket. I found 2 others besides the one she had on her bed that were clean so she did not need it right away and did not want to ruin it. Had not washed anything like this ever but again, this caregiver wrote I had not done the laundry... I had not done the dishes and had not gotten the dog fresh water. I asked her how she knew I had not gotten the dog fresh water? she said, "because there is dog food in the water". Well... The dog could have done THAT in the last few minutes to the last few hours. Dog was always doing that. And yes... I had washed all the dishes except left some out on the kitchen countertop because not sure where they go! Asked this aide to show me so then I would put them in the right place and she would not have to look for them. Agencies and their caregivers? It is a mess
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I would change the way I hired.

I would not request respite care. I would request an aide.

Sometimes companies use miscommunication to their advantage and this sounds like one of those times.

This is not respite in the actual sense of the term.

Mom needs an aide to take care of dad from...to....on....doing the following:
Be as specific as possible and put it all in writing with the agency and caregiver.

If the caregiver shows up and is not willing to do what is required, send them home and call the agency and tell them that you will not be paying for their aide because they refused to do what they were hired to do.
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wow... THAT is one loaded question. Have I got stories I would love to tell you all. I have worked in home health care for over 25 plus years and it is just getting worse and worse. There are many things that contribute (IMHO) to this. 1. those that buy these home healthcare franchises have the money (evidently) but no knowledge whatsoever of the medical side of it. Ok... the home healthcare agencies say that are "non-medical". I don't know how they can say that. I guess because WE aides are NOT nurses? But even as aides we do medical stuff... vital signs, watch for problems with our patients which certainly ARE medical. I used to be a nurse but hated what they do so I decided to do one-on-one bedside care. 2. These agencies, many want just a body to be there. I had one agency, Right At Home, who kept an abusive male aide. I kept calling the office reporting him and he just kept showing up. Some of these aides are from foreign countries. Some are great... and some... horrible just like all the other aides. Patients sometimes cannot understand them. 3. One had been taking care of patients for some time and she could not do blood pressures. I found another one that I am working with right now.... my patient is constantly having high blood pressures... like 200/110 and this is with a wrist, AMRON battery operated cuff. She keeps getting pressures like 124/84! She is taking it manually. Also, the oxygen levels she gets is always 90%. The patient's oxygen level that I have been getting is 88-89% and last Wednesday the highest I got was 85% a few seconds AFTER this woman got 90%! Called EMS. They got what I got and put my patient on oxygen.

I am also dealing with someone like this and this is getting worse and worse. Judy brags about herself. All the time. About 40 years old. She says that she is really good and that is why people are telling her they want her back; that patients and/or families call the office requesting her and doing this Judy says, "all the time". I cannot get her to tell me anything about the patient. We have a log... she writes no notes and not even any for the agency we work for. I asked her last Wednesday when was the last time our patient took a blood pressure pill --- her reply was, "yesterday". I then said, "I need to know what time yesterday because she can get one pill every 12 hours. If she took the pill last night at 10, she would not be able to get one until 10 this morning and right now it is 8 am.". She was snippy with me. Still did NOT give me an accurate time and why? Most likely did not know.. had not documented it... had no intention of passing this info on to me when I showed up to relieve her... and again... she never told me anything of what is going on with the patient! And YES! She is supposed to.. this is part of her job! All she says is this, "Had a great day!" I don't know what this means. Who had a great day? Does this mean the patient's cognitive abilities were better today? Less confusion? Was her blood pressure staying down so you did not take a blood pressure pill? She was not incontinent on your shift? Did she lose some weight? Did she do her exercises which she normally refuses? Was her breathing better? What does "had a great day" mean here?



These aides are not to do their own "stuff" during the hours they are there unless they have done everything they are being paid to do AND they have been given permission to.
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DonnaF777 Jun 2021
Agencies are a huge problem. Here is something to watch out for when it comes to these "professional caregivers".

The CHARMERS, I call them. Dealing with one right now, mentioned in previous comment. They think they are great... at least they tell everyone they are. And it works! They may use religion... say that they want to pray with the patient, want to do BIBLE studies with the patient and they may do that but.... their care is horrible to non-existent. Had one caregiver... she never wore scrubs like the rest of us - 3 caregivers at all times. This was NO agency. This gal was early 40's, always had every hair in place, nice clothing with her jewelry and makeup. She talked a good talk. She "reeled them in". Did a ton of smiling... always smiling and talking about GOD... and when she went on vacation, she went to see what? the ark. When she came back, she talked about the ark and how blessed she was. Patient was getting 2 different types of insulin. The second one---if sugar was over 150, she was to get insulin. I came on at 6 pm as usual. The thing was, the girl did write some things down! Noticed that blood sugar was 121. NO insulin needed. Blood pressure was 152/86. This woman had given patient that insulin she was not to give. I had asked her about it. She looked at what she had written to confirm what I was telling her? She said she must have looked at the top number on the blood pressure reading... the 152 and thought it was the blood sugar reading! I asked her if she was going to call the daughter? (giving insulin when not needed?) Nope.. she did not either. I called the daughter. This aide also told me later that one of the aides was not changing the patient's depends..leaving him laying in urine and feces. I knew this to be a lie. The aide she reported was fired and this was the aide who had gotten this woman this job in the first place. This aide, the charming one, had been with these patients, husband and wife, a little less than 3 years. I had been there for a few months. She also got another aide fired. Don't know what happened there. I knew I was next. I would come in at 5:55 pm...start of my shift, and check the hubby. He was bedbound... and needing suctioning. I tested this aide. He was constantly needing to be suctioned, his throat all the time for the last 2 weeks +. I asked the girl to turn on the machine. SHE DID NOT KNOW HOW!. So.. she had not suctioned him at all. She worked 8 hour shifts during the day. Then I tested her again. I would find his bed soaked and dried feces every time a came so, I came 5:45 pm. 15 minutes early. Still her shift so I could expect her to help me. She would not... would not even touch this man. Would not get depends. would not get water... she would not help turn him. She did nothing but stand there and watch me clean this man up. I went to the daughter.

OK... did no good. I hated to do this but.... I told her I could no longer work under these circumstances. I told her some of this but she seemed to not believe anything I was saying. I reminded her about the bed sores her dad now has. How did he get those if he is being kept clean and being turned at least every 2 hours? I let this daughter know that every time I came on shift, her dad was ALWAYS on his back. Daughter stated that maybe dad had just finished eating ? (yeah,...right) I tried to explain about me coming on and finding her dad laying in urine and much of the time, feces. I mentioned the suctioning. Got NOWHERE! This aide had charmed this daughter to the point that she was unable to see what was right in front of her. I have had other aides try to charm ME. One wanted to live with me and when I told her no... she put me through hell after that. Got me fired from that job. There are aides that will do whatever the patient wants even though it is against the law or company policy. Patients and family love these types of aides. They lie and a lot.
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